Episode 3: Navigating the Journey

In this heartfelt episode, we dive into the transformative journey of motherhood. Host Stephanie Konter-O'Hara opens up about her own experiences of navigating the challenges and beauty of becoming a mother for the first time.

Stephanie normalizes the struggles and triumphs of motherhood, reminding us that we're not alone. Whether you're a new mom, a mom-to-be, or simply someone interested in the motherhood experience, this episode is full of wisdom, validation, and support.

Key Topics Discussed:

  • Navigating Motherhood for the First Time

  • Facing the Inner Critic

  • The Power of Letting Go

Special Announcement: Stephanie is launching a Pregnancy and Postpartum Support Group in January. If this episode resonates with you, be sure to reach out to learn more about how to connect with other women during this life-changing time.

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I just think it’s so disorienting when you have a life that you had clearly planned out and you thought that your plan involved a baby, and you could figure out how to do it with the baby, and then turns out.

Ha! Ha! Jokes on you! It’s not gonna go like you thought it was and really trying to let go and surrender to that is hard.

— Stephanie Konter-O'Hara

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  • Hey All welcome back!

    To redefining us.

    I am wanting to talk about today, Few different things.

    One of them is navigating motherhood for the 1st time. Another is talking about your inner critic, and talking about letting go.

    So I'll 1st start talking about, Figuring out who you are as a new mom. A lot of people and her motherhood with. Rose colored glasses. Or they enter it with a lot of fear or potentially some loneliness.

    Some feelings of "How the heck am I going to do this."

    So I think having a group of other women who are going through similar things as you could be really helpful.

    Because zooming motherhood alone, even if you have your partner, and even if you have your parents or your other friends that aren't moms.

    For people who have been moms for a long time. That's not the same experience that having women who are going through the journey simultaneously as you is. Because it's really easy to forget what it feels like to be a new mom, the hormones that are going on, the fears that are going on, the changes that are going on. The physical experience of recovering from becoming a mom.

    It's just a lot all at once and I think it's easy to forget with time, with healing with space and It's not like anything else.

    So if there's, you know friends in your life who haven't become a mother. It's gonna be very difficult for them to relate to what the experience is like and I'm not saying this to make you feel more isolated. I'm just saying this to highlight like it's a huge transformation. I don't think that I've been through anything quite like it.

    I know sometimes people compare Like menopause, or going through puberty to something that is comparable hormonally.

    That becoming a mother is like, but I think, because motherhood is on its own time. It's not like, Oh, everybody's going through puberty between the ages of like 13 and 16, or everyone is going through menopause around midlife, like you can become a mom. A wide variety of ages.

    And a wide variety of seasons in your life, and so having other people who are in similar seasons Or similar times, I think, is really valuable.

    Because it's so unpredictable, like you just don't know how you're gonna feel, during pregnancy during birth, during postpartum.

    You can't really plan for what the experience is like.

    Don't know whether you're gonna feel nauseous. Your whole pregnancy. You don't know whether or not you're gonna feel blown and energetic. Your entire pregnancy.

    You don't know whether or not you're gonna have a birth trauma cause that's widely out of your hands. You can do so many things to prepare for birth and things can still not go as you envisioned.

    And then postpartum again. I don't think there's any really good handbook for exactly how it goes. Obviously there are people who have been through postpartum, and have had experiences of having a baby and what it's like to their lives. But I think it's all just so unique is my point and having a group of other women that are going through it. Similarly around the same time is, I think, really and having those resources is super helpful.

    Yeah, I think comforting to be like, Oh, wow! Like, I'm not Alone, because motherhood can feel Really, you have this new human being that you are now set up to take care of. Literally what feels like forever for the 1st time. You go from being potentially like a carefree person who really has to worry about themselves. Maybe a dog's maybe a cat.

    Maybe a job, maybe their partner. But for the most part you're living barely untethered and then suddenly, you have this child what feels like very quickly, and even if you plan for even if you yearn for it.

     Even, if you've been waiting for years, it's still a huge transition, and I guess I wanted to really highlight that point, that it's not like anything else I've ever experienced. At least I can't speak for all women obviously. So I intentionally went around to find other women who are going through that experience at the same time as myself. I went online. I looked for groups. I looked for 

    I looked for ways that I could connect with other women who. We're going through the process at the same time. And honestly, I think that was a lot of my saving grace.

    In my experience, because there was moments late at night, especially when you're sleep deprived, and up at 3 Am. Feeding your baby you're like going through all of these thoughts and all of these feelings. And for me I was like, Oh, my gosh! Like how does anyone do this.

    Like, truly, how does anyone do this like, how is this possible to do.

    If you had to do it truly alone. There were so many times during postpartum the thoughts myself. I am someone who's so lucky to have a partner, to have family, to have friends that I have.

     Because some women don't have that like, how do people manage childcare? If they're not well resourced, whether it's with time, money, or people like I just don't know like the society's just not set up to be surrounded by people, unless you intentionally find people this day and age.

    And so, anyways, I really felt like I had shedded a skin of What Stephanie Pre Baby was, and was slowly figuring out how to fit into this new outfit, this new role. As being a mom and slowly figuring out like, Okay, this is where it zips. And this is where buttons. And this is where it ties.

    This part feels a little tight. This feels a little loose, this feels a little scratchy and Yeah, kind of what felt like really muddling my way through it, despite trying my best to find resources to make me feel less alone and less like gosh! This is a scary experience.

    And of course, my experience is different than others, and or other people might have the same experience. But for me I experienced some postpartum OCD. Which really looks like some thoughts around my health, around her health, around safety, just having to do mental gymnastics, to talk myself out of being worried, Being scared to the point where I couldn't sleep Yeah, I was afraid of Mastitis, which is an infection in your breast when you're breastfeeding, that can cause sickness and fever for yourself, and then blocked milk, which are painful, and then can inhibit feeding your baby If you're breastfeeding, so yea I was afraid of that. I was afraid of falling down the stairs. I was afraid of SID's. I was afraid of everything like oh, my Godness, she's gonna get a cold! Oh, my goodness! She's gonna suffocate! Oh, my goodness.  I'm gonna not be able to do this because I'm sleep deprived like I'm so dizzy I'm going to fall over. I'm so tired I can't think, and, like the list went on and on, and on and on and on.

    And I looked for resources, and I tried to join groups and I'm sure if I had the energy and the resources and the mental capacity that I do now, it would have been easier to do that, but I Did look for a support group and I even did an intake. I'm a support group, and that never came into anything.

    I finally decided, I'm gonna sign up for training. Since I'm a therapist to learn about postpartum. So maybe if I can learn about postpartum learn about the experience of becoming a mom, that I could not only help myself, but help others.

    And then I, of course, joined some mom groups and connected with other moms in the community Who are becoming moms at the same time.

    I was going to try to go to some mommy and me classes. But oh, my goodness, talk about a struggle getting out of the house.  Like with a newborn like. I barely could do that like getting her in the car was a such a task What felt like a hurdle or a barrier to get my needs met.

    I would do it for her like I would bring her to the doctors, and I would you know bring her to all of the appointments that were necessary, put to get out of the house and do something for me in those early days really hard.

    So I think, figuring out how you can connect With other women during pregnancy. So you can maintain those relationships in postpartum. Is truly in my experience. What helped me stay sane.

    11:36:58 And even if it was only just shooting someone, a text or messaging in a group chat or setting up a virtual call like those things helped.

    Those things mattered yhe follow up the check ins like, how are you doing? What's going on like? Talk to me.

    I think, yeah, that kept me together and maybe some people don't need that but I needed that.

    And just even though after, the Newborn phase like figuring out, how am I going to reenter work.

    How am I going to drop my baby off at daycare and not miss her all day?

    How am I going to transition from solely breastfeeding her to having her drink bottles at daycare?

    That was a process.

    How to figure out work, life, balance?

    Once I did have childcare how to figure out how to be a leader in my organization, when my brain was preoccupied with how my baby was doing?

    It's I don't know a whirlwind, and I'm about to be a year out from becoming a mom. My baby's birthdays in a few days and I think I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm still reflecting on what my life looks like now, and trying to project how I can set myself up for success.

    Because I just think it's so disorienting when you have a life that you had clearly planned out and you thought that your plan involved a baby, and you could figure out how to do it with the baby, and then turns out.

    Ha! Ha! Jokes on you! It's not gonna go like you thought it was and really trying to let go and surrender to that.

    And to show up for yourself. And myself, and to show it for my baby. To show up for my husband, to show up for my family and dogs, and friends. Just looks a lot different than what I think I planned. And just yeah, letting go trying to be in the flow of that. That is something that I think is more important now that I'm a mom than it was before, like I would hear, oh, just like being in the flow, and don't resist what comes natural to you, and being your feminine energy. And all this stuff. And I was like, Yeah, that all sounds great. I think I'm doing that. I think I'm going with my flow. But upon reflection, I really think I was just forcing a lot of things.

     I was forcing work, I was forcing friendships. I was forcing myself to do things that I thought were helping me check off the boxes of what it meant to be successful, and I think those things maybe still make me think that. Though doing those things, or being in those places, and having those conversations, aligning myself with certain people in the community, will help me be successful. Still. But I think it's just less push than I had before. And it's not that I think old Stephanie was doing it wrong. I just think new Stephanie and new Mom has different priorities. And that's okay. And getting to the place where I can say, like, that's okay is still a work in progress. 

    And yeah, I guess I just wanna honor those that are listening that have been through similar transformation or have are about to go through becoming a mom, or in the thick of it, figuring out what it's like to be a mom like. Yeah, your journey might be different than mine. But it's definitely going to be a journey. It's not just like a light switch where one day you're you! And the next day. Your mom, and you know exactly what to do, and you're figuring it out, and you're badass at it, like, I think it really is a process of shedding your old clothes and shedding your old skin, and shedding your old identity, and putting on a new one, or finding a new one and living into your new one. So, yeah, I just wanted to normalize all of that experience and validate those that are going through it. 

    Gosh! What a wild, wild ride! Like. I don't think there's anything else to use to classify the experience or to explain the experience except calling it a wild ride. And yeah, I think it's helped me getting more in touch with my boundaries. Getting more in touch with how I want to spend my time, but I think now, though the holes or the gaps that I'm experiencing is like what makes me feel fulfilled now. What helps me feel productive.

    Now. What's going to take me from where I am today to who I need to be like next week, next year. For myself. And for my family. Because I think I was just coasting before all of this, and just like, I don't know. I was still doing the best I can, and I was still showing up for other people. But now I almost think there has to be a different way that I show up. And then a different way that women who are moms can show up for themselves and for others that doesn't lead to feeling burnt out, or overstimulated, or overwhelmed, because trust me, you're already gonna be there just by living your life. 

    But then, when you add on work, and friends and family, the limits of which you can do will probably just feel like less. And honoring that. They're not forcing yourself to keep the life that you had before, but it just seems to the life that you have now. I was having a conversation with someone at a dinner party, and they were telling me that a friend of theirs was really resistant to changing their life post-baby and to just bring your baby with her everywhere and would just kind of grin and bear it, and pull herself up by her bootstraps. And I thought to myself, like, that's that woman's journey. That's that woman's experience. That's maybe what she wants. But like I. Parents say that. That's how I want my journey to be. I can't live in alignment with myself and show up how I used to show up with other people. I can't just pull myself up by my bootstraps and smile. Like, I need more time for rest. 

    I need more time for flowing in my energy. I need more time for being the mom that I want to be like. Again, going back to the dinner party, I was starting to find myself feeling a little guilty for wanting to go home rather than stay out and be there to help put my baby to bed, because I know there's only a certain amount of days or years that my baby’s gonna want me there to help put her to bed. And I don't know. I got sentimental and a little sad about feeling like that. Time is limited. And I wanna be there for that. I don't wanna miss out on that. And sure, maybe I missed out on coming to play board games or going out to spend more social time with my friends. But in that moment, that's what I felt like I needed to do.

     And so, rather than push that feeling down, or push that thought down, I let myself go home to be with my baby, to help put her to bed. Maybe other times my choice will be different. Maybe other times I'll feel the need to stay out and be present with my friends. And I think it's just, I don't know, ebbing, flowing with where you are, and what feelings and what thoughts you're having, rather than resisting it. And just like truly surrendering to the experience of where you are. And just like riding that wave. As a trained DBT therapist, there's a coping skill and emotion called riding the wave, and I kind of see a lot of themes and ties back to that coping skill of riding the wave and motherhood. Because it's not a straight line. It's not a clear path. It's like an ocean that waves come at different cadences and at different heights, and different temperatures, and you just have to ride it and flow with it, and be with it.

     At least in my experience, and I would assume a lot of other women's experience too. Because the more you force and the more you plan, and the more you think it's gonna go a certain way, I think the less peace you probably have, and perspective, and the less, yeah, the word peace just keeps coming back to me. I think if we continue to force and live in that more masculine energy, or that more high achieving productive energy, the more anxious we're gonna feel, the more burnt out we're gonna feel, the more displeased we'll feel.

     And we're robbing ourselves, or I could rob myself from joy and peace and surrender, and being in the moment. Just letting things flow as they come. And letting things fall and rise as they will. And just being on the journey of becoming the woman that I'm I guess meant to be. As a mom, as a leader, as a wife, as just me. So, yeah, I hope that was helpful and helps to normalize and validate any new mom's experience.

    Or potentially help shed some light on what it could be like for you when you become a mom, or if you decide to become a mom. And yeah, these are a lot of things that I'm gonna be talking about in my pregnancy and postpartum support group that is gonna start up in January. 

    And I just kind of wanted to reach out to any of the listeners that might be tuning in to give them some ideas of the themes that will be discussed in the group, and I really hope that if this landed with you that you'll reach out to find out more. Because I think it's gonna be a really good time to connect with yourself. As a woman, as a mom, as a future mom. Because abandoning yourself to follow what the crowd is doing, or to abandon yourself to follow what other people say you should do, rather than follow what you think you need to do to be in alignment with you in your process, is just gonna leave you feeling more lonely and more empty.


    And, Staying, connected, To your intuition, And then who you want to be.

    I think, is the best gift that you can give yourself during this experience, of this new becoming. Alright, thanks for listening.

Episode 2: The Value of Building Connections with Dayna Sammartino, LPC

Welcome back to Redefining Us! In today's episode, we’re diving deep into the heart of human connection with our guest, Dayna Sammartino, a licensed professional counselor practicing in both Colorado and Ohio.

Dayna brings her expertise and passion for the topic of connection, exploring why it's essential for our well-being and how it impacts our mental health. With a rich background in counseling, she’s seen firsthand how loneliness and a lack of meaningful relationships can affect people, particularly as they age or go through life changes.

In this engaging conversation, Dayna discusses:

  • The decline in close friendships and the reasons behind it.

  • The concept of "perceived loneliness" and how it differs from actual isolation.

  • Cognitive distortions that can contribute to feelings of loneliness and social anxiety.

  • Practical tips for fostering and maintaining connections, including social experiments and mindful communication.

We also touch on the surprising statistics about loneliness among different demographics, including young women during the pandemic, and discuss strategies for breaking free from routine to create meaningful connections.

Whether you're struggling with feelings of loneliness, looking to enhance your relationships, or just curious about the science behind social connections, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable advice. Join us for a thoughtful conversation on how to redefine and deepen our connections with others.

Episode Highlights:

  • Dayna shared different interventions people can use to help ease loneliness

  • Dayna shared how prevalent and common feeling disconnected from others in todays society

  • Dayna shared the long term impacts of not having healthy connections with others can impact your physical health

  • Dayna runs groups at WellMinded Counseling to help bridge the gap for adults that struggle with connection and mental health

Guest links:

Where to find more from Dayna Sammartino, LPC:

Website: wellmindedcounseling.com/dayna-specailities

Facebook: www.facebook.com/wellmindedcounseling

Email: dayna@wellmindedcounseling.com

I encourage a lot of my clients to almost even kind of do like social experiments like trying something new.
— Dayna Sammartino, LPC
  • Host: Welcome back to redefining us today I have with me Dana Sammartino. She's a license professional counselor in both Colorado and Ohio, and she's here to talk to us about connection, and why it's so important that we have connection with other people so welcome. Dayna.


    Dayna: Thank you. Thanks so much for having me on. I'm excited to be here, and I love talking about connections. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

    Host: Awesome. Yeah, what is really made you passionate about this topic, and why you think it's valuable for our listeners to hear about.


    Dayna: Sure, so.

     As a therapist. I have had a lot of clients come in to therapy due to feelings of loneliness, lack of connection.

    Wanting to build friendships, and I've also noticed, too.

    It seems like the older some of my clients become, the less connection they have unfortunately. So I like to talk with clients about ways to kind of identify those feelings, and maybe some interventions even about how to Find lasting connection in their lives.


    Host: Yeah, I've noticed that trend as well with clients. It's almost as if, like when we're children or teens, or like young adults. There's this lot of opportunities to form connection, and maybe in those age ranges. You're even like less inhibited by time and resources and other things. So it's like Maybe more common to build those things, and then when you're at work.

    Or living your life, you have all these other responsibilities that might take away from the opportunity. Is that kind of what you find in your work as well?


    Dayna: Yeah, definitely like you said, timing is a factor. I've also just found 2 values can be a big factor for clients. So if someone has a different set of beliefs than someone else, you know whether that's politics religion, something else. It can be harder for them to connect. But.

    I know I feel like when we're younger. It's like if someone has the same backpack as us.

    Gonna be friends. And it's so easy to kind of connect that way. So I think social anxiety is also a big factor that I notice, too, and how to kind of break free from that.


    Host: Yeah, it's really interesting that you mentioned that because just thinking back to college, I believe I've made friends with someone just because we both were vegetarian, like literally no other commonalities except for that, and we became best friends.


    Dayna: Sure.


    Host: And then another case is, I have a friend who's also named Stephanie, and like just that very simple initial like, Oh, your name Stephanie, too. That's so cool. Let's be friends.



    Dayna: Oh, yeah. I know I have a friend. Yeah, same thing. Her name is Dana. We both have the same middle name, which is kind of bizarre, too. So in preschool we bonded immediately.

    Host: Yeah. So I think it's just the things that you bond over as a team or child are just different than the things that you bond over as an adult.


    Dayna: Right. Yes, and I have found that perceived isolation is one of the Leading reasons people seek counseling. So I found that a really interesting fact to share with our audience, too, about how sometimes it is anxiety and depression. But a lot of times just that feeling of not being connected to others can be so impactful.


     Host: Yeah, you use the word perceived loneliness. I'm kinda curious if you can explain what that means to our listeners.


    Dayna: Yeah, so it's more of kind of the feeling of being lonely, and how one sees themselves. So basically, sometimes we can have A lot of support around us, but we might not feel that it's really authentic.

    Or that some of those people are ones we would want to go to. If we ever needed something. We might have kind of the people there but sometimes there are obstacles for reaching out to.


    Host: Yeah, I'm almost thinking and this might be a little bit of tangent, but I have some clients who talk about like putting on a mask when they're with other people and in doing that they've already created this distance between them and the other person. And so now this distance further isolates them because they don't think they can be themselves around others. And that's just like a perpetuating cycle of like.


    Dayna: Oh, yeah.


    Host: Can't be around others. So I'm gonna push other people away. Now, I'm feeling lonely now. I'm feeling depressed, and it's just kind of.


    Dayna: Sure. Yeah, it's so easy to get caught up in our heads about it. And I noticed with a lot of my clients, we talk a lot about something and cognitive therapy called cognitive distortions, where basically, these are kind of thinking errors that we all experience as humans. But sometimes when we really fall into them. They can have A really lasting influence on us. So if I have the belief that you know you and I are talking right now, and you're really bored.

    And I might really shut down, or I might start to stumble, because in my head, I'm thinking, oh, Stephanie is thinking this or that about me when that might not be accurate at all. So again, those distorted thoughts can really come into play too.


    Host: Yeah, it sounds like some like mind reading is at play.


    Dayna: Yeah, mind reading personalization that one can be too jumping to conclusions. All or nothing, you know, if we have one negative Interaction with someone. We might assume that they're done, or we can't redeem ourselves from that, too. So Yeah, that can be tricky to just kind of reminding people that Again. We're all human. We all have these thought patterns. But Again, if we Kind of come to recognize that again. We all share that anxiety at times.

    That can also help us develop more compassion for ourselves and for others.


    Host: Sure.

    Yeah, I'm almost thinking a little bit about ego states, and how, as a teenager or a young person, we tend to think that the world kind of revolves around us in a way, and like everybody around us, is like thinking about us. And like they're judging us. And we are kind of alone in our feelings, because everyone else is feeling some type of way about us that we don't know.


    Dayna: Yeah.


    Host: And it just creates that social anxiety that you were talking about. And then I think As you, age Ideally, you start to realize, like, oh, like “right” not everyone is thinking about me all the time and like, How do I live in a world now where maybe people don't actually care about what I think or don't actually care about what I'm doing. That could compound that like feeling of loneliness potentially.


    Dayna: Yeah, absolutely. And it can be really tough. But I encourage a lot of my clients to almost even kind of do like social experiments like trying something new. What would that look like if you went to this new Yoga class? And just kind of put yourself out there, too.

    Will all of those distorted thoughts be true. A lot of times we might feel that discomfort, but we recognize that all of these catastrophic thought patterns that we had. Often are not as real as we think they are, and they're not as likely to happen.


    Host: I'm curious, like, what does the data show about? How often people are finding themselves feeling isolated and lonely.


    Dayna: Yeah. So I have some interesting statistics that I found when kind of preparing for our podcast but One that I found was really interesting was that the number of close friendships that Americans have has declined over the past several decades didn't tell us why, but I kind of think back to some of the reasons you and I were talking about whether that's work taking over people's lives.

    Sometimes not making the effort. If we come home we're tired. We might not want to really reach out. Go to dinner with a friend.

    It's also important to give ourselves time alone. We all need that we need to recuperate, but also really trying to have more.

    Connection when we can, planning something out ahead of time. Trying to stick to that commitment is huge.

    Another really interesting piece of information, I found was that during the pandemic young women were the most likely to report losing touch with friends.

    Which you know is good, since we're talking about women, too, and the importance of that connection.


    Host: Yeah, that's really interesting to me. because historically, I think we've maybe stereotyped and gendered, feeling disconnected from friends or loneliness to men or to you know Young males, and to see that the data shows something different, I think is really interesting. And I'm kind of curious like. Why, women, maybe, were higher in Than men were during that time.


    Dayna: Yeah, I'm not sure. You know, one thought of mine is maybe for some women that have children taking care of kids. Can be. 

    Really huge and I think in our culture, a lot of times we think of that as being rule out there that says it has to be that way, too, but something else I wanted to share, too, was that not only can that feeling of isolation really impact our mental health? But There's also a lot of research showing that can increase the risk of premature death.

    It can also increase the risk of dementia, heart disease, and stroke, too.

    So I think sometimes we almost kind of forget that interaction of the brain and the body.

    Again very crucial for us to take into account.


    Host: I guess it would. Really, I'm just kind of thinking here out loud. You would need to disrupt your routine. To find and build connection. I think a lot.

     People, including some of my clients, and maybe even myself, from time to time, like, get into of just going to the same places, like doing the same thing like day in and day out.

    13:28:52


    Dayna:  Sure.


    Host:  And if you haven't relationships doing that like, you're not gonna just suddenly start building relationships doing that, you do have to mix it up and maybe go to that yoga class that you mentioned, or joining a book club or finding other ways to do it, because if you're just like stuck in the same like.

    Drop your kid off at school, go to work, pick your kid up from school.


    Dayna: Right.


    Host: Go home, make dinner. put kids sit in front of the TV like there's not a lot of opportunities in that routine to really find relationships.


    Dayna: Right. And I like to suggest to a lot of my clients even really kind of starting small. So we know that friendship takes work. However, it can be as simple as you know me, sending you a text saying, You know, hey? Hope you have a great day sending a birthday card to someone. You know, trying to make plans in the future, so that we know.

    This is when I'm available. This is when you're available so that we can make this work out.

    It's also important to think about, too, no relationships are ever prefect.

    However, we also have to make that effort to get.

    Someone else showing an effort, too. So a lot of times when we are the 1st ones to reach out. People appreciate that. And they come to model that behavior too.


    Host: Very True

    Host: Yeah, that's really interesting. I think another thing that I'm hearing my clients say sometimes, oh, I feel like I'm putting in so much more effort than they are, and they don't really care about me or our friendship if they're not gonna put in the same sort of.


    Dayna:  Sure.


    Host: Like effort. And you know, my response to that is like, maybe that's worth a conversation with that person. They don't know how you're feeling.


    Dayna: Yes.


    Host: And you they don't on. Maybe they don't recognize that you're putting in more effort. But they say yes, every time you ask them to hang out right? They say, yes, every time you ask to go get coffee or go for a hike like, clearly, they're interested in being in a relationship with you. Maybe it's worth saying like, Hey, it would be awesome a few occasionally organize something for us to do together.


    Dayna: Yeah, that's a great way to say it again. Kind of going back to those cognitive distortions I mentioned should. Should statements are really big for people. So if I think “I should”. You know mail out a birthday card to someone, and I expect one in return.

    That is kind of, you know, not a healthy, because again, I'm placing my expectation on them.

    So also kind of being aware of that, too. Again, we want to have friendships that doesn’t put in effort.

    But if we're expecting everything to be 100% reciprocal.

    That can certainly lead to some unrealistic expectations.


    Host:  Sure.

    Yeah, this is almost making me think a little bit tangentially of like the love languages. But for like friendships.


    Right like, just because you sending a card is your way of like showing love or attention to somebody, or just because you send a text messages your way of showing love and attention, maybe their way of showing you friendship and respect in other ways


    Dayna: Oh, yeah.


    Host  Always being on time every time the 2 of you hang out, or like offering to buy you a coffee or something like that that might just like look different In the way that they're showing you that they care.


    Dayna: Right? Yeah. So I like that. You bring that up. That's a really good point to keep in mind, you know, just because I show my you know  Love for my friends in this way doesn't mean they show that in the exact same way. So I think Kind of recognizing the differences, but also celebrating those differences too.

    You know, I mean, personally, I think of my best friend Katie, her and I. We have not lived in the same town for a while, but we make it a point to call each other every Sunday to catch up for about an hour. And again, kind of putting that time aside, knowing that. Okay.

    I expect this is going to happen, you know. She knows it's going to happen, too. Of course life gets in the way sometimes, but again, trying to make it a priority as much as possible.


    Yeah, I like that last part that you just mentioned that like life gets in the way sometimes.


    Host: Sure.

    I have a client who, and even in my own life like, have chosen to have children or to, you know, I don't know. Let's say you decided to open a business like some big like transition. It's gonna suck up a lot of time.

    Like being open and honest with your friends ahead of time, like you're probably not gonna see me as much. That doesn't mean that I don't care right, or if you're on the other side of that, like.


     Maybe just checking and saying, I know you're really busy. I know you're going through this live transition. I just want to let you know that I'm still here for you, even if you can't like.


    Dayna: Yeah.


    Host: Do our normal like get together or our normal weekly call like, We will get back to that at some point. But now is not that season.

    And like I still love and appreciate you for who you are, even if we can't touch base as often, or something like that, I think it's just.

     It's important to be mindful of where we were, friend or where the people you're trying to connect with are at in their own life.


    Dayna: Definitely. Yeah, that's a great point, too, because you know, if we're calling them. And you know they're unable to talk to us, it can be easy to kind of take that personally. But again, sometimes having that open communication that hey? I am going through this transition in my life right now. Maybe I'm moving, and I know it's gonna take up a lot of time.

    I still want to check in. But if you don't hear from me personal, that can go a long way and really just help.

    You know, the relationship maintains stability.


    Host: Yeah.


    Dance: And you know there's a lot of other interventions, too, if you don't mind me sharing some. But I really tried to think about in my own personal life. Maybe what clients have suggested. But there is a big list. So one thing could even be getting a pet. A lot of times we don't think about connection with animals, however, that can be huge. Having a little furry friend to take care of. That can really help. Not only you know us feel better, but it can also help build some responsibility in our lives, too. A sense of routine.

    It's also really important, I think, to not be so judgmental with ourselves. Really try to practice that compassion as much as possible.

    Recognize that we all experience loneliness. It's a very natural human emotion to have. So again, hopefully, by kind of embracing some of that self compassion. We let off with some of Another one I thought of was even spending time in nature.

    Being a friend to ourselves is easy as that sounds, but recognizing that a long time can be good, how do we view that time, too? Do we make it something that's to be feared? Or do we look at it as.

    You know. Great. I can go on this peaceful hike, or I can, you know, maybe just relax.

    And watch some TV tonight by myself.


     Other thoughts that I have are trying to even sit with some uncomfortable feeling.

    When we do have loneliness, are we so quick to kind of push it away, get rid of it, distract ourselves Or can we recognize that You know this doesn't harm us. It might be a little uncomfortable at times, but Like any emotion. The more we expose ourselves to it, kind of the easier it becomes to experience.

    Let's see other thoughts. I have like you and I talked about trying to get engaged in some type of group.

    Whether that's a book club. You know, a running group that can be a great way to meet people, especially people who have similar interests, as you. Same with volunteering, becoming Passionate with other people about a great cause.

    And again, just trying to break out of your shell as much as possible, going up to someone, being the 1st one to talk to them that can be huge like I said. A lot of us are shy. A lot of us don't want to do that, so.

    Recognizing the courage it takes for someone else, and really being open to that, too.

    So like, I said. Those are just some ideas, and I have some clients who say, you know I'm not super social, or I don't know how to do this. Therapy can be great for that, too. Looking at kind of social skills, training.


    Host: Thank you for sharing all those interventions with people and those resources. Something that I'm thinking on almost on the flip side of this is like, how do we recognize when the relationships that we're in are actually making us more lonely? Be and taking us away from like meaningful connection with others?


    Dayna: Hmm, yeah, that's a good question, I think, sometimes checking in with ourselves of, you know, if I see this person's name show up on my phone.

    Do I experience physical sensations? Do I feel like a knot in my stomach? Or am I kind of Smiling, really happy to see them kind of going along with that, too, after an interaction with them. How would I describe my feelings? Do I say  You know, that was so fulfilling. They are just so special to me, or do I say: You know, man, I kind of feel really bad about myself, or something like that.


    And you know that kind of leads me to another point, too, with just noticing how easy it is to compare ourselves to others.

    Am I looking at My relationships versus what's on social media.

    Again easy to get caught up in that trap of something that might not be super realistic, too.

    Really trying to be cognizant of how almost like what you're viewing, and then what you're experiencing.

    Host: Yeah. Is like creating that distance, or maybe creating that loneliness and trying to shift away.

    From that into connections that are fulfilling and meaningful, because I think We can get into the trap of like Something is better than nothing.


    Dayna: Yes.


    Host: And I would argue like.

    I don't know if that's true, because if you are sitting here feeling like, this negative feeling, like in your gut and in your heart That is just not right. And You can't shake it. You probably need to move away from that person

    .


    Dayna: Yeah, definitely. And I think of even just kind of checking in are my values similar to the other persons. Now, it doesn't mean we have to have The exact same values, the exact same interest, but You know if I love animals, and you know the person I'm hanging out with is indifferent about them. Where they say, you know. Oh, I hate them. They smell bad.


    Personally, I think that would be difficult for me, too, because, having that love for animals, not being able to really. So again. It's kind of that fine balance of how do You know, embrace our differences, but also knowing if something super important to me.

    And that's just not really being met in that relationship that might be something worth exploring.


    Host: Yeah, I think something that's really true to what you're saying. Here is.

    In order to have connection, there needs to be communication.

    And how can we continue to communicate with ourselves, to be aligned with ourselves, and be aligned with our values and our ethics and our morals?

    In our relationships and communicate like our needs and wants to other people. Because again, no one can read our mind. So, yeah, I almost feel like in order to.

    Have less loneliness and isolation in our life. We need to also work on our communication skills. So we can like build Great relationships with others.


    Dayna: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you said it. You know people cannot read our mind. We might think that we are being so open with kind of our body language, but Again, you know, making sure that we are Clear to other people and what we're feeling, what we're trying to communicate. And not having that idea that they should know me. It's been 5 years of friendship that's not fair. So again, really trying to. Have that open communication as much as possible.


    Host: Yes, is reminding me of a quote that I have a client who really loves Berne Brown. I love Berne Brown, too, but she's always like saying, Clear is Kind, Like being clear in your communication is thing that you can do. And that's what's gonna Probably bring your connections to. Another place with people, because the more clear that you are with.

    Your expectations and your values and your feelings, the easier will be for them to.

    Understand where you're coming from, and show you that compassion that you're probably looking for.


    Dayna: Yeah, definitely. And I mean communication. And even conflict does not have to be this scary thing that ends in a relationship ending.

    I really love dialectical behavioral therapy, especially because it teaches clients in her personal effectiveness skills. How do I have those difficult conversations while still respecting that other person, but again staying true to my values. So again, it's really cool, because a lot of this can be explored in therapy. You know, if that is a struggle for someone, just.

    How I can enhance my communication skills.


    Host: While speaking of therapy. I know that's your bread and butter, Dayna. So how can people find you like? What other resources might you want to leave people with.


    Dayna: Yeah. So if they want to find me, they can always feel free to email me. Dayna@wellmindedcounseling.com


    Yeah, that'd be a great way to get in touch with me. We can set up a phone consultation if you'd like to schedule, or even just. If you have any questions, You know, clearly, love talking about this subject, so I'm happy to do so.

    I also probably like at least twice a year. I'd like to do a therapy group for clients. So where I facilitate that. PreviouslyI've done a Dbt group, but I have an upcoming group that will have a combination of. Dbt, cbt, and that's really cool, because.

    Actually, one of the reasons why I started doing groups was a way to.

    Have clients build these connections, you know, recognizing that.

    You are not the only one experiencing this, and it can be a lot easier than expected to.

    Build some support. So it's really awesome to see people come together.

    And support each other, give feedback.


    Host: You know, a lot of times group therapy can be so vital for clients, especially just to know that I'm not alone in this situation.


    Yeah, that's really great. I love the idea of doing groups. I think you know.

    Isolation when you're feeling. Lonely or struggling with anxiety, just compounds things, and so offering Group therapy where people can, you know, come together and.

    Know that they're not alone is, I think, really monumental for a lot of people. So I'm glad that you're you're doing that.


    Dayna: Thanks. I appreciate that. I really love to do it. And you know you get to meet so many awesome people along the way, and it's really cool to see clients improve, and, you know, build healthier lives all around.


    Host: Well, thank you so much for being on today, and hopefully, people will check you out. All the information, for Dayna will be in the show notes on our website. Wellmindedcounseling.com/redefining-us-Pod


     So, if you have any other.

    Questions, or If you have any other questions, or want to reach out, feel free to do so.

Episode 1: It Takes A Village: Why We’re Not Meant to Do Life Alone

In this debut episode of Redefining Us, host Stephanie Konter-O’Hara takes the mic solo to introduce herself and share her personal journey. With over 13 years of experience as a therapist and a business owner since 2017, Stephanie Konter-O’Hara reflects on the various roles she juggles—therapist, business owner, mom, and wife—and the invaluable lessons learned along the way.

Key Takeaways:

  • The Journey to Motherhood: [Your Name] opens up about her own struggles with infertility and the extensive efforts she made to overcome the challenges, including seeking help from therapists, acupuncturists, and reading extensively.

  • Building a Business: Learn about [Your Name]’s initial foray into business ownership, her approach to learning and growth through business coaches, programs, and podcasts, and how she manages to lead a team of 15 while maintaining a full client caseload.

  • The Power of Community: Discover why [Your Name] believes that personal and professional growth is deeply intertwined with the support and influence of a strong community. She emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive, inspiring individuals.

  • Balancing Life’s Roles: Hear about the balance [Your Name] strives to maintain between her roles as a therapist, business owner, mom, and wife. She discusses how embracing the busyness of life helps her thrive and find creativity.

  • The Importance of Connection: [Your Name] reflects on the idea that no one should navigate life’s challenges alone. She discusses how leaning on others and finding a supportive tribe can be instrumental in personal growth and well-being.

  • Finding Alignment with Your Community: Gain insights into how [Your Name] encourages listeners to seek out communities that align with their values while also challenging them to engage with diverse perspectives.

Episode Highlights:

  • Personal stories of overcoming infertility and business challenges.

  • The impact of therapy and community support on personal growth.

  • Practical advice on finding and nurturing supportive relationships.

  • The significance of being part of a larger community and the value of diverse perspectives.

Stephanie Konter-O'Hara is deeply passionate about the work she does as a clinician, supervisor, business owner, podcaster, wife and mother as they all inspire her to be the best version of herself and challenge her everyday. A guiding mantra that Stephanie follows in life is the Gandhi quote of "be the change you want to see in the world", and this inspires her to keep doing things in a way that don't necessarily follow the mold but is ideally changing the world one interaction at a time. She believes her purpose is to inspire others to be the best version of themselves and empower every person to deeply know they are good enough just the way they are.

Each part of this journey has really taught me a lot of lessons.
— Stephanie Konter-O'Hara

Guest links:

Where to find more from Redefining Us:

Website: wellmindedcounseling.com/redefining-us-pod

Facebook: www.facebook.com/wellmindedcounseling

Instagram: @wellmindedcounseling

Bio of Host: Stephanie Konter-O’Hara

  • Well, as my first episode on the podcast, I'm going to make it a solo episode and introduce myself have been a therapist for over 13 years now and I'm so crazy how time flies I have been a business owner since 2017 and every part of my story has been quite a journey. I struggled so much to become a mom.

    I had my own infertility experiences. I had my own therapist to help me along the way, on acupuncturists, talk to friends, read books, everything that I thought would be helpful to do, I did to try to move my journey to become a mom.

    I would say my journey to be a business owner's quite similar. I started flying by the seat of my pants. I hired business coaches. I took programs and read books and listened to podcasts and did it one day to time.

    And anytime I share my story about how I became a business owner, I always find myself feeling a little uncomfortable because boasting isn't something that I'm good at, as I've always been taught this dialogue of being humble, but I do have a team of 15 people that I supervise and manage and I have my own full caseload of clients.

    And so I'm a pretty busy person. But I thrive in the busyness. I wouldn't say it's chaos because I do have a lot of time to myself to be creative and to be a therapist as well. I went to therapy and it saved my life in more ways than one. I figured out what I wanted to do for my career.

    I figured out what I was passionate about, figured out some coping skills that I've kept to me alive. I was in a really dark place at that time.

    I would say moving from a place of complete, like, chaos and confusion to clarity and peace is so healing. And I tell my therapist that I supervise that regularly that is part of their mission with clients.

    Like, this isn't a job or career, for the faint of heart. You do have to have a good sense of who you are, or at least of who you want to be and be working towards that.

    And each part of this journey has really taught me a lot of lessons. And I love being a therapist. I love being a business owner as well.

    I love being a mom. I love being a wife. All of the hats that I wear sometimes can get a little dirty and get a little crumpled because life can be just hard and messy.

    But I always come back to like what has helped me get to this point. It's talking to other people. It's being a part of a community that lists me.

    that I think continue inspiring me. And so I'm hoping that through this journey of doing this podcast,

    I'll meet more women like that who will continue to help me grow and help everyone who's listening grow as well because I don't think that we can do this life alone.

    It truly does take a village, whether you're raising a child or raising yourself. It really does take a lot of effort. And I think if we decide that we're going to go it alone and we're going to be independent and we're going to not need anyone or I know a lot of people are like,

    I don't need no man. And that could be true. Maybe you don't need a man, but you do need people. Like you do need good, hearted, solid people in your life in order to have a full life,

    in order to have a life where you feel stable and comforted because it just can't be done alone. And I think at one part in my journey,

    I thought that I could do everything all by myself and then I didn't need anybody. I didn't need help. I didn't need support. I didn't need guidance.

    anyone. And it's not until I started to look towards other people and lean on them that I think I became the person that I was meant to be.

    There's this thing that a lot of people say that the five closest people to you are the people who influence you the most and the people you become the most. And I surrounded myself by people who I wanted to be like.

    You know, I had a therapist. I had some teachers. I had some friends. I had, you know, some people in my family that I really leaned on to figure out me.

    And now becoming a mom trying to figure out who I am in this new phase, in this new of my life.

    I had to figure out how to be a new version of me and how to tap into a different network and a different part of myself.

    And now in this new phase of being a mom, it has been so incredibly eye -opening of just how challenging it can be to take care of another human being, for one, how to live in a life where you feel sleep deprived and finding a new tribe.

    I haven't left any of my old tribes, but you do need a new tribe in almost every phase of life if you're going to land on your two feet and to be grounded is to be connected to historically have grown up in tribes and not in these isolated little silos that we live into now where every single family has their own home like we grew up in communities where everyone knew everyone and everyone helped everyone and

    everyone had a separate function so the idea that women today are supposed to work or are supposed to take care of their children all how people need people and people need mental health services and people need help cleaning their house or help watching their kids or help like taking care of other responsibilities like I don't know any shade or shame that someone throws on another person for asking for help or for

    needing support for I guess all of that to say that in this podcast and in these interviews where I talk to women who might be business owners or stay -at -home moms or just women trying to figure it out,

    I'd encourage you to listen to their stories and to figure out how you can access resources, access, like other parts of yourself that need...

    or it's the seven -year -old who got pushed on the slide and, you know, skid their knee because they weren't going down the slide fast enough.

    Like, whatever part of you needs to be healed, those parts need attention. And it's going to be really hard for you to give them the attention they deserve if you think you can do it all by yourself.

    You are the one that needs to listen to those parts and pay attention to what those parts need. That is your responsibility, but getting the nurturing and support from other people will help you be able to access those parts and have time to nurture those parts.

    But if you're busy doing all of the things all of the time, that won't be possible. So before I go on more tangents about how we all can be more connected to ourselves by being connected to others,

    I think it's important to... talk about what it means to be in alignment with the community that you're in.

    So I'm sure we're all aware of the vastly different opinions that exist on the internet. And how about the vastly different opinions that exist in our society?

    to find those people who might reinforce your beliefs or reinforce your ideas. And I also challenge you to find people who are saying just something a little different.

    So you yourself can be challenged and figure out how other people are doing life. Figure out how other people think, what other people believe. Because even though you need a village,

    it doesn't need to be only people who think. and listening to why they believe what they believe and listening to why they came to that conclusion and what inspires them to continue to go down that path.

    So that's my spiel for why I'm doing what I'm doing and how I got here and I just love talking to other people and hearing other people's stories and helping inspire other people and just being grateful to be a part of other people's stories and journeys.

    And yeah, I hope you'll, you'll join me each week as we listen to the conversations that I'll have with other people. And yeah,

    I hope you'll stick around. All right, take care.

Trailer to Redefining Us Pod

Here it is! Season 1 of the Redefining Us Podcast with host Stephanie Konter-O'Hara, a licensed professional counselor, clinically trained supervisor, and new mom on a mission. 

Stephanie invites transformative conversations about what it truly means to be a woman in today's world. Whether you're a mom, entrepreneur, educator, or professional, this podcast explores how women redefine their roles and identities in a rapidly changing society. 

Stephanie was inspired to start the Redefining Us Podcast by her own journey into motherhood and her passion for helping women navigate the complexities of modern life. Fueled by her experiences as a new mom and a seasoned counselor, she aims to create a space for authentic conversations that empower women to embrace their evolving identities.

Keep coming back every other week on Thursdays to continue to be apart of the conversation! Found on Apple Podcasts, Youtube, YouTube Music, Overcast, Spotify & IHeartRadio

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  • Hi, this is redefining and I am Stephanie Konter-O’Hara professional counselor and clinically trained supervisor. I am a new Mom and I'm interested in talking to people who are entrepreneurs professionals in their field that are interested in helping women find who they are and what it looks like to be a woman in this century I know there's been a lot of talk about that and I'm just here to join, I hope to hear about what it means to be a woman what it means to be a business owner to be a teacher role woman and society. I'm to talk to you and I want those people interested in so I hope you and I look forward to inspiring you teaching and joining you along the journey to redefine what it means to be a woman.